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on: September 2, 2012, 20:03
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Sorry, i have to upload a real big file but i am running out of time (have to upload today or much later, cause ill not be at home)
but my stupid converter from .wav to .mp3 dont work anymore and a new one i did install, dont work but realy messed up my computer

.... anyway, i have a quick made version
well its 2 parts, one is the "good boy version" could be better but shouldnt be to bad
the second part is...well, i understand if you say its not good but it was fun 😉 i surely shouldnt post that version on c&f because they seem not to have humor when its about playing well 😉 i relay have mixed up different ways of playing and am maybe out of tune, out of rhythmn, out of everything .... but listen yourself

so sorry for the big file, i will change this link later when i am back from hospital and post a smal .mp3 file of the same recording, instead

here we go click me if you want to hear a 22 mb soundfile it will take a while, just wait

oh by the way, that may be the last time that my voice sound that way, cause my operation tomorow may change my voice ...no dont worry, i didnt sing 😉

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on: September 2, 2012, 20:43
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OK, if we have a funny moments here, I recorded now few times this: http://soundcloud.com/kmartycz/sets/badly-played-the-star-of-the
Unfortunatelly the funny part you have to imagine - My face when I realized that I don't have enough breath 🙂

(Recorded by iPhone, in almost empty room and at Walton's D which requires much more wind. I forgot Mellow Dog at work)

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on: September 3, 2012, 05:58
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Quote from kmarty on September 2, 2012, 20:43
OK, if we have a funny moments here, I.......[/url]
Unfortunatelly the funny part you have to imagine - My face when I realized that I don't have enough breath 🙂

(Recorded by iPhone, in almost empty room and at Walton's D which requires much more wind. I forgot Mellow Dog at work)

Hahaha, when I was practicing my first scores, i had breathing problem as well. Just save this copy of your errors. You'll be surprise when you are already good listen to this, you will feel such achievement 😀

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on: September 3, 2012, 08:21
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I don't know if I am "good listen" or not, but many times I already stoped recording because I didn't like it how I played or I deleted recordings due to same reason. These two should be deleted too (they're really ugly), but I kept them for fun.
Playing thoroughly/neatly is really hard. I hope that one day I'll be able to do.

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on: September 6, 2012, 12:05
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Angel,
Yes the second one is better. Your cuts are better, you still need to make them a quicker sounding "blip" but that comes with practise.
The biggest thing I hear in your music that you need to work on is your rhythm. Get a metronome of some sort. There are free ones on the internet.
That first whistle sounds like it needs some tweeking. You can hear a lot of air in it when you play. Also get a tuner (also free on line). Your second whistle .... to me sounds a bit flat. You should be able to move the fipple up and down the body a bit a check the notes to see if it's in tune.

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on: September 7, 2012, 11:58
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Well I better drop a version of the song here as well:

Did this recording at the breakfast table first thing while waiting for my boys to finish their meal and rush them off to school.

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on: September 7, 2012, 14:11
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I'm the last to post my SOTCD I'll get it done maybe today I'm practicing a the moment hopefully get it up soon. the tune is not strange to me as i have played it many years ago on accordion 🙂

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on: September 7, 2012, 14:42
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Star of the County Down

Star of the County Down second recording, lower tempo, used some cuts

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T Dixon Trad brass (D)

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on: September 7, 2012, 14:51
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Quote from Andreas the German Whistler on September 2, 2012, 20:03
Sorry,

here we go click me if you want to hear a 22 mb soundfile it will take a while, just wait

Andreas the player console loads but there was no audio.

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on: September 7, 2012, 16:46
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Quote from Whistler on September 7, 2012, 14:51
Andreas the player console loads but there was no audio.

Andreas audio converted to mp3 : http://www.kmarty.bluetone.cz/whistle/nb/star-of-the-county-down-4-challenge-on-clarke-d-sept-2012.mp3

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on: September 7, 2012, 23:17
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Thanks for the link Kmarty.

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on: September 8, 2012, 13:02
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Based on Andreas' voice, I think he is a little sick... the hoarseness in his voice tells me something is not right. I hope he gets well soon. We miss you.

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on: September 15, 2012, 20:28
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@ kmarty - thanks for the mp3 converting

@ Angel - Yes i was sick, thats why i had an operation the morning after this quick and dirty recording

@ all - i still couldnt listen well enough to all your recordings, my heradache is still very bad, so my feedback still has to wait
but i have something for you:
just did "chat" with Nik Metcalf the Whistlemaker in an C&F thread and surfed to his website again (beautifull whistles) and was anoyed by music which just started (my headache didnt like it) but hey then i thought "you know that song"
so you may check this link to Nicks version of The Star Of The County Down

"Nick Metcalf Plays Star of the County Down on a Low E Irish Whistel from ethnicwind.com. He also plays on this song Piano, Acoustic Guitar, Mandolin, Melodica, and Percussion"

Its maybe intersting to compare with us 😉
I thought i should do a better recording but now ni think i should do it in a year 😉

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on: September 15, 2012, 23:21
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That's uncomparable 🙂

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on: September 17, 2012, 08:17
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Quote from ggiles on September 6, 2012, 12:05
Angel,
Yes the second one is better. Your cuts are better, you still need to make them a quicker sounding "blip" but that comes with practise.
The biggest thing I hear in your music that you need to work on is your rhythm. Get a metronome of some sort. There are free ones on the internet.
That first whistle sounds like it needs some tweeking. You can hear a lot of air in it when you play. Also get a tuner (also free on line). Your second whistle .... to me sounds a bit flat. You should be able to move the fipple up and down the body a bit a check the notes to see if it's in tune.

Hi..

Thanks for the comment.

The first whistle is brass feadog..it is Breathy by Nature and quite quiet but love the metal color on the sound. It sound more Irish compare to my plastic whistle.

I am trying to hard to get a name for that "Blip" sound. Ok I shall call it "blip". My reflexes are getting used to that. I really hate it when I can not articulate the cut well. There are times my T3 finger becomes lazy to go back to the whistle..that I need to train.
In fact I am wearing a ring made of O-rings that makes my finger heavy....sort of weights for my finger.

Metronome on Internet is delayed in response. Hahaha so i bought a real metro.

The second one has improved tempo compare to the first one, yet when my mind was confused on using tonguing and cutting...i lose my tempo hahahaha...

Also one thing I learned on Tempo..when you Hesitate on hitting a note...it results to delayed tempo.

A bit flat? On my Tuner it is A=440. I guess the plastic timbre of the sound makes it seem as though it is flat. The metal whistles usually has a brighter sound, platic has a different color. It is not dull, but it is loud and very articulate. Thus if the sound is not bright the instinct usually is to discern it as flat.

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on: September 17, 2012, 08:50
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Hi Andreas,

As you have requested me. I shall put my comment on your playing here.

Your tempo is quite lost on the first soundclip.

The value of your note is somewhat similar to each other.

It is evident that when you hit the pic-up measure, you somewhat boost your speed immediately on the next measure.

In my humble opinion based on how i heard it, you seem to skip the value of the, quarter notes and the Dotted Half notes.

( PS: sorry I use the American Name of notes, It is easier to remember the American Name compare to the British name. The american name is based on Mathematics using the divide it by 2 factor. No offense to those who use the British names of note. Our school prefers to use the American names, so I have to comply...)

The value of the quarter notes and dotted half note give strong Downbeats (accent) on this piece.

It somehow signals the player to slowdown and prepare. This effects create a "marching color" like that of millitary.

The length of the duration of notes give the specific flow of rhythm needed on every piece.

PS: I hope you are not offended. My tempo is also a bit sloppy (but a little better on note values haha 🙂 ).... so saying this in public may sound so "Boasting inappropriately". I have to also put into consideration that your voice is hoarse from an operation making it biased to critic it in public that is why I have decided to do it in PM instead.

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on: September 17, 2012, 09:08
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Quote from ggiles on September 7, 2012, 11:58
Well I better drop a version of the song here as well:

Did this recording at the breakfast table first thing while waiting for my boys to finish their meal and rush them off to school.

Hi Gary,

Can I ask if you tongued on everynotes here? I seemed to hear a T-Stress sound on every note except on notes that have been consecutively hit where you cut it instead.

"T-Stress" is the Term I name for momentarily at rest (millisecond rest of note) when you tongue.
Normally you hear this whenever you tongue every note instead of playing a note in onebreath.

Regards,
Angel

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on: September 17, 2012, 09:12
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Quote from Andreas the German Whistler on September 15, 2012, 20:28

"Nick Metcalf Plays Star of the County Down on a Low E Irish Whistel from ethnicwind.com. He also plays on this song Piano, Acoustic Guitar, Mandolin, Melodica, and Percussion"

It is uncomparable.

This version of Nick sounds more sad. And I hear a lot of Rolls.. compare to Ryan which is snappy..

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on: September 17, 2012, 12:18
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I meant that our level and Nick's level is by far different :-). That's why "uncomparable".
We play like children at school :-).

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Can I ask if you tongued on everynotes here? I seemed to hear a T-Stress sound on every note except on notes that have been consecutively hit where you cut it instead.

"T-Stress" is the Term I name for momentarily at rest (millisecond rest of note) when you tongue.
Normally you hear this whenever you tongue every note instead of playing a note in onebreath.

Yes I prefer to tougne the notes if I am not ornamenting notes ... at least in that tune.

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Nick Metcalf Plays Star of the County Down on a Low E Irish Whistel from ethnicwind.com. He also plays on this song Piano, Acoustic Guitar, Mandolin, Melodica, and Percussion

That's a bit silly for comparision. A low whistle where he has really slowed the tempo down and is using all kinds of runs to fill in the space. Apples to apples would be better. It is great playing.

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on: September 17, 2012, 15:46
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well i think everything is comparable
apples with apples
but also
appleas with elephants
or peas and stones ... whatever
hope this dont really make me look silly in your eyes 😉

if i compare our versions with niks, so i wouldnt think at all about quality
i also wouldnt think about quality or well played, or not, when comparing our versions.
interesting for me is the difference
specialy of this tune which has so many possibilities
thats one reason why i dont think anymore that its an easy tune, its some easy learnable notes but the tune itself can be played so differently and still sound nice but completey different, that its realy hard for me tó find my way of playing it (even with the few possibilitys i have a s a beginner)
to choose how, and to stay with that choice and not falling from one version into the other while playing, ...thats the difficult thing

also i think it should fit to the lyrics, i would think a sad version dont fit

so when i did post the link it was just because i found it by accident and was surprised how different this tune sound on this interpretation
it also doenst matter either if i like Niks version or not (i prefere it faster) but it surley showed what is possible to make out of this few little easy notes wehn someoine can play well

and thats inspiering me, i did hope it can do this to one or the other as well
maybe i was missunderstood, i didnt say; "hey look thats the way it should sound, we are all bad" i just wanted to share what i found (out)

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on: September 18, 2012, 14:27
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No you are not incorrect in your thoughs. It should be used as inspiration for what can be done. Many tunes are really quite borring musically with out the player adding in their take on it. Slow them down, speed them up, oramintations, runs and fills ... what ever it takes to make a tune more interesting to you and the listener. You also have to be intimately familiar with the tune in its pure form and your instruament to be able to do this. It's little steps for us. He's taken it so far that the tune is barely recognisable, so in my personal view I wouldn't use it for comparision to what we have done.

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on: September 18, 2012, 14:55
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And now it becomes interesting.
It sounds good to me that one has to know the pure tune and his instrument to be able for interpretation, so i can totaly agree there.
But it make me think about, where do interpretations start and, more important, where does it end?
Thats a question i have for a longer time already and i guess i should open a new topic for it. Well its was already on my liste before i did built this place. So give me some time and we can discuss this in its own thread, if you guys want, ok?

Beside of that, i guess there are tunes, wehre you can try whatever you want, no speed no ornament and nothing can realy pep it up or make more out of it as it is, and one the other side some surely are better so purer they are.
And that is what i think about "The Star of the County down" i like it with some speed, but thats not important, but its better so purer its played, no need of ornaments here, i think they just disturb me and te pure melody with some nice speed .... makes me happy.
My opinion may change, because its realy new for me to think about this and making up my mind, specialy with this tune, isnt easy and i think it has to develop. Mayber also taste has to develop. I know that well from other arts as painting or ophotography.

So, yes i understand what you all want to say, "this is not comparable" . Ok agree , from one oint of view. One the other side, the compraying of those completely different things did lead us, me at least to other not uninteresting thoughts and thats always good 😉 And there is still that insopiering part as i described it before.

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on: September 20, 2012, 11:33
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in china,“youtube”and“facebook”Is forbidden,too terrible!

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on: September 20, 2012, 11:47
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I know and already wanted to ask you about soundcloud.

Can you reach soundcloud? Because all recordings of this challenge you can find on soundcloud.
Some of us do upload a lot on youtube and some watch a lot on youtube but for the challenges we should find something everybody can reach. So Soundcloud maybe is a good choice?

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on: October 27, 2012, 03:56
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I was always thought to go back to the pieces you started from so see how you can improve.

So here is mine again.


there are 2 new files added to it.

Sorry im a little busy. Trying to catch up with you guys.

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